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Evidences That Have Led Many Scientists to Accept An Ancient Date for Creation of the Earth and Universe
by
Hill Roberts

In 1995 (I think) I was asked to come tell a group of preachers in middle Tennessee why I believed the earth and universe were probably old. The notes developed for that discussion resulted in a privately published book summarizing some of the more accessible means used by the scientific community to determine physical ages.  To my knowledge there is no previously published work that puts all of these results together in one document. It distresses me no small amount that this is the only topic many conservative Christians seem interested in concerning scientific apologetics, when God has provided so much more powerful testimony to His existence and His Word independent of the time issue. However, as noted in the foreword of the book, maybe placing all this data in one convenient repository will serve some useful purpose for you, even if you do not agree with the conclusions drawn from the data.

This book is now being made available in an online PDF format. (The original Word format is available on the LIB CDROM.)  You can obtain the PDF plugin from  the Materials page. Some of the files are quite large so it may take a while to download them.  PDF versions of large files sometimes leave out a word or part of a sentence. This does not seem to be correctable. If you encounter sentences with missing words, please email us to learn what is missing. The book is also available in hardcopy on the LIB order form, at our cost of reproduction. It has many color pages so the repro cost is high. You are encouraged to print your own version from the files below.

Cover, Foreword, Bibliography, Table of Contents  (285kB, 7kB, 5kB respectively)
Part 1,  p 1-5 (351 KB) -- Age of Earth evidences from  physical geology (without using radioisotopic methods)
Part 2,  p 6-11 (580 KB) -- More evidences from physical geology (without using radioisotopic methods)
Part 3,  p 11-15 (298 KB) -- Concluding evidences from physical geology (without using radioistopic methods)
Part 4,  p 16-25 (279 KB) -- Radioisotopic evidences for age of earth (and solar system)
Part 5,  p 26-31 (678 KB) -- Plate Tectonic Evidences introduction
Part 6,  p 32-34  (390KB)  -- Plate Tectonic Evidences concluded
Part 7,  p35-41  (739KB)  -- Astronomical Evidences for Age of Universe (also see brain teaser below)
Appendix  (39KB) -- One option for Harmonizing The Natural Revelation with the Written Revelation



The Days of Genesis
2003
Hill Roberts

Why Flood Geology Isn't Credible
2003
Hill Roberts

Major Problems with John Baumgardner's
Runaway Subduction Model of the Biblical Flood

2003
Hill Roberts

Notes from J.Baumgardner's MSU/SACS lecture, 10-30-03
Rebuttal -- Part I: Flood Geology
Rebuttal -- Part II: Runaway Subduction
Rebuttal -- Part III: Radioisotopic Dating (in process)


Status of "Lord, I Believe" as of September 2001


also now available
Hill's "Dating Games" presentations
at "PickupU 2001"
The four presentations are:
Four Views - An Introduction
Survey of some Old Earth Evidence
Radioisotopic Methods in Detail
Appearance of Age and other Issues
 

 
A Brief Introduction to the Creation-date "Debate"
by Darrick Dean
(also see Darrick's GodandScience pages -- good stuff!)


Is There Really Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth?
Matthew S. Tiscareno, 1999/2000
CalTech Planetary Science alumni and PhD candidate at U. of Arizona in Planetary Science

A comprehensive yet concise review of young earth evidences by a believer.



What about all those radiometric dates?
Aren't they just adjusted to give the "correct" atheistic answer?

Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective
Dr. Roger C. Wiens
Division of Geological & Planetary Sciences
California Institute of Technology, at Los Alamos National Laboratory



The Age of the Earth
- Ruminations of a Reluctant Old Earth Creationist -
Tom Couchman
1999
(as Revised August 2000)

 This new essay by Tom Couchman is the best review I know of concerning the Old-versus-Young Issue. The LIB website is honored to be able to publish this essay on the web for Tom. He is not writing as a scientist, but simply as your brother. As such you will recognize his sincerity, easy manner of presentation, and genuine concern for those of all viewpoints. I highly commend it for your study. Tom's essay fills a much needed void by bringing together in one document some of the primary physical facts, both young and old interpretations of those facts, and assessments of the viability of the interpretations. You'll not likely find anything better than this on this topic by any other authors I know of, yours truly included.

 Also see his article "Appearance of What?"



  The Flood of Noah
I Will Send Rain Upon the Earth
Tom Couchman
2001
A review of various ideas concerning the flood of Noah.
Typically thorough in classic Couchman style.



NEW '03
Evaluation of Walt Brown's
Hydroplate Theory
 
Click Here to download
Tom Couchman
2003
Dealing with one of the stranger ideas to come out of the YEC camp.



The Geologic Column: Does It Exist? You can be the judge.
Glenn R. Morton

 Brain Teaser: SN1987a


http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/PR/97/03/A.html
http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/novaesupernovae.html



Articles for your further study about creation time estimates derived from the Bible
W.H. Green, "Primeval Chronology", Bibliotheca Sacra, 1890
Foy E. Wallace Jr. on Creation Time, God's Prophetic Word, 1946
H. Roberts, "Chronology and Genealogy" 1994
Shane Scott and Greg Gwin's articles concerning Genesis. Sentry, 1995
D. King Sr., "The Primeval Chronology" Watchmanmag.com, 1999
Shane Scott "The Dangers of Dating" 1999, Shane's New Site
Doy Moyer, "The Battle Over the Age of the Earth" 1999  (in FocusMagazine)
David Mathew's "Biblical Geology" 1999     (PDF version)
H. Ross, "The Creation Date Controversy", Reasons.Org, 1997
Ross-Gish Debate on Focus on the Family, 1992
R. Numbers' History of the Young Earth Creationists: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
 Tom Couchman, "The Age of the Earth" 1999
 Darrick Dean, "Guide to the Creation-Date Debate"
 Don Stoner, "A New Look At An Old Earth", 1997
God, Genesis and the BigBang (a website by Kevin Sluder)
 H. Roberts, "Survival of the Fit,"  2000
 Maffeo Cardinal Barberini, "That Ye May Properly Eshew Harmony" 2000
 Roberts, "Apologetics: Presuppositionalism and Evidentialism" 2000. (also see next article by Williams)
Jimmy Williams, Apologetics and Evangelism, ProbeMinistries, 1994.
 Roberts, "Answering Some Questions About Creation" 2000. (see below)
 Roberts, Rightly Dividing Nature, or Not? 2000
Robbins and Edmann, Answers in "Genesis Park", Breakpoint, 2000
 Four Approaches to Interpreting Genesis One, Robert M. Bowman, Jr.
 Creation  and the Early Church, Roberts Bradshaw
 Gibson-Mathews Discussion, Marc Gibson and David Mathews
A Nice Short Article on Genesis 1:1, Charles Murray
Ineffective Arguments, David Mathews
 In A Green Tree, Roberts, 2000
 Appearance of What?, Tom Couchman, 2000

An Open Letter to Hill Roberts, Shane Scott, and Florida College
 Response to the "Open Letter", Tom Couchman
Response by Hill Roberts to "Open Letter"
(-:So far, no returned CDs, but one signer did ask to buy one:-) (PDF version)
 "What? You call me a fool?!!"
Using science to re-interpret scripture
David's olive branch. A time of forgiveness for me as well, HR.
The Days of Creation, Ferrell Jenkins
President's Position on Teaching Divine Creation at Florida College, Colly Caldwell
 Responses to Open Letter by Ferrell Jenkins
 Responses by Shane Scott
A Suggestion to Add to the Scriptures
The Problem with Creeds, Doy Moyer
The 29th Question and Beyond, Bill Robinson
Ahh! -- the blessing of being informed by history!

Floods, Science and Religion, Kinds, Evening and Morning -- Sustained
(PDF print version) To address the new questions raised in King's Response and by others.
Plus a Correction to above article, posted 5 September 2000.

Report of the Creation Study Committee of the Presbyterian Church in America
This is a new, well researched, cogent report. Recommend it to all concerned.
(Test all men's thoughts in light of Scripture.)

Allan Turner's re:thinking Discussion Board:  Concerning Age of Creation

 Todd Greene: Why All This Matters
 Dr. Joshua Zorn: Another Case But How It Can End Differently
 Stephen Robertson: A Former ICR Geologist
Also meet "Ed" who could easily have walked the same road as Todd
Glenn R. Morton too



Discussion by Hill Roberts on these Matters
Each month several preachers and elders in the Huntsville area get together on a Thursday morning for a period of study at one of the local churches' facility, usually Jordan Park. I was asked by Bobby Graham, acting as the group's representative, to join them there on the morning of March 16th, 10:00 AM,  to present my beliefs concerning Genesis and creation. The title of my presentation:
Answering Some Questions Concerning Creation
(why the age of the earth should not be an issue)
After March 16th, the full text of that presentation has been made available on this webpage.
 Rightly Dividing Nature, or Not?
An essay occasioned by some of the questions at this presentation.


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